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Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Jane1234567 — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:58:36 -0000

PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERY CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW!!

Christians need to wake up before it is too late.

We are being manipulated into World War III.

It will be a religious war: Christianity/Jews against Islam with both sides LOSING.

This is not a prediction. It has been PLANNED.

The purpose of the war is NOT to save us from terrorism and keep us safe.

The purpose of the war will be to eliminate faith in God and turn everyone to worship Satan. We will all be slaves in the One World Government.

http://www.threeworldwars.c...

"It is our belief that a conspiracy does indeed exist, and that it is extremely large, deeply entrenched, and therefore extremely powerful. It is working to achieve absolute and brutal rule over the entire human race by using wars, depressions, inflations and revolutions to further its aims. The Conspiracy's one unchanging purpose has been to destroy all religion, all existing governments, and all traditional human institutions, and to build a New World Order out of the wreckage they have created."

What did WWI accomplish? Communism wasn't the goal. Atheism was the goal.

WWII spread of more atheism. USSR took over eastern Europe.

China took over Tibet. Real purpose was to destroy a center of Spirituality.

http://www.threeworldwars.c...

Both Biblical prophecy and the Illuminati plan state that Israel is the key. The Third World War is planned to begin when Israel goes to war against her Arab enemies. Then, and only then, will all the other elements begin to occur and they will do so in rapid succession. The plan is to have one disaster following another in such rapid succession that, before people can mentally and emotionally handle one disastrous news event, they will be hit with another. It is also accurate to say that until ALL of the elements for WW3 are in place, the plan will not commence.

While it would be naive to suggest a specific timeline for the events leading up to and including World War 3, we do know that the plans for World War 3 are well advanced, and our leaders involved in this secret plan are waiting only for the right signal before all-out war begins.

We are in the last stages of the preparation to so globalize the world that the Masonic New Age Christ (Antichrist) can appear to receive all the political and economic power of the world's rulers. This is the Illuminati plan and Biblical prophecy (Revelation 17:12-17).

http://www.threeworldwars.c...

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…

We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

The Real Story - Pre 9/11 History - 1.mov
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The Real Story - Pre 9/11 History - 2.mov
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The Real Story - Pre 9/11 History - 3.mov
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Think: The Federal Reserve Bank isn't owned by our government. It isn't even owned by Americans! It controls our money!

THINK: 9/11 was a magic trick! The buildings were imploded! Over 1,000 architects say so!

THINK: There were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

THINK: Osama Bin Laden did not do 9/11.

Source: Khilafah.com, 10 Oct 2001
The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat. Usama bin Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks...

http://911review.com/articl...

"And, according to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan."

http://old.nationalreview.c...

So what do we do?

1. Call for an end to the war against terrorism.

2. Call for an investigation of 9/11

3. Vote out both the Democrats and the Republicans. Vote for third party candidates.

4. Stand firm with the National Rifle Association. Keep our weapons. Keep our bullets.

5. Refuse to go to war.

6. Refuse vaccinations. It's another lie. The flu shot CAUSES more flu. Sign a philosophical objection or religious objection for your children or home school.

7. Turn off the TV.

8. Learn about the truth of the past wars.

9. Make friends with people of Islam and have talk circles so we understand each other's faith.

10. Plant a garden using heirloom seeds. Save the seeds.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

bastard — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:42:11 -0000

you're a stupid fuck, you insult him by this posting, but alas, at least someone still takes time to remember him, somehow.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Karoli — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:12:52 -0000

Hi Liz,

No worries, you don't have to sign in to comment. It just remembers you if you sign in. :)

As for my blood pressure, if I keep seeing articles like this they're going to have to put me on meds. Seriously.

What bothers me the most about this (and Tony Perkins is one of the current worst, BTW) is the complete knee-jerk response with an absence of thought, consideration, or basic research. And yes, it also bothers me that it's entirely political. If the fundamentals were to take a biblical approach on this, they'd be absolutely apolitical. After all, Jesus said "do as the Romans do", not "become a Roman".

These guys use Christianity to garner power for themselves. It is not a question of evangelism, or altruism. It's all about forcing others to their point of view. And it drives me nuts.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Liz Ditz — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:44:12 -0000

Liz Ditz here, I haven't signed into your new commenting software.

Karoli, just to make your blood pressure rise

Carpetbagger Report covers the religious right's response to this tragedy. As you might expect, it is the liberal's fault.

Religious Right Exploits Tragedy for Political Gain

"Yesterday, the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins blamed the “secular media” for Matthew Murray’s shooting rampage in Colorado"

and, quoting Gary Bauer:

"Second, despite his upbringing, he was clearly motivated by an intense hatred for Christians, just as the Virginia Tech murderer was. In his last online message, Murray reportedly wrote, “You Christians brought this on yourselves. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world.” It is worth noting that this hatred of Christians is constantly promoted by the radical Left - on their websites and in their books, articles etc."

Gah. That's me gagging up here.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Joel Sax — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:21:48 -0000

I do think there's something here....But what could anyone do?

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Karoli — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:51:16 -0000

Liz,

In 2002, he was 19. This is the problem with our mental health/medical system, because once they're 18, no one can DO anything beyond suggest that one seek help. His posts on the forums indicate that he was in some kind of therapy (I don't know what, specifically), but as time goes on, his anger turns on the therapists too.

He is exactly the type of person who should have been placed on a 72-hour hold, except that no one had standing to go forward and force it. Possibly his parents, but it sounds like they are pretty toxic in their own right.

I'm not sure what the whole YWAM story was. I've had some personal experience with them that runs counter to what I've read on the ex-Pentecostal forum and Murray's own experience.

Here's the other thing no one knows at this point -- were drugs involved? His rapid deterioration suggests that it's a possibility.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Liz Ditz — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:31:02 -0000

This whole story is nothing but tragic. He was clearly mentally ill five years ago, but was not directed toward treatment, just turned away from his community.

I do not know the theology of these two groups, but they may not accept mental illness, viewing these behaviors as "possession" or the like.

Via Box Turtle Bulletin

CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/...

Matthew Murray was kicked out of a missionary training program five years ago for strange behavior, and talked about hearing voices, according to a man who served at the center with him.
[snip]
Richard Werner, 34, said Monday he was a worker at the center in Arvada, Colorado, in 2002, the same time as Murray.

He said Murray was told in December 2002 he would not be allowed to join a mission trip to Bosnia. That was five days after Murray performed a pair of dark rock songs at a concert at the mission that made fellow workers "pretty scared," according to Werner.

The performance -- which included a song by rock band Linkin Park and another that had been recorded by controversial rocker Marilyn Manson -- followed months of strange behavior, Werner said.

Werner, of Balneario Camborius, Brazil, said he had a bunk near Murray's and that Murray would roll around in bed and make noises.

"He would say, 'Don't worry, I'm just talking to the voices,' " Werner said. "He'd say, 'Don't worry, Richard. You're a nice guy. The voices like you.' "

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Karoli — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:06:28 -0000

Peter --

I don't think so. It serves no purpose for him to be a martyr, especially when he made it abundantly clear that he did not align himself with his parents', YWAM, or New Life church. He was a person who was depressed, angry and bitter over a long-ago rejection, that's all.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Karoli — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:04:27 -0000

Amy,

Thank you! It's one of those problems that seems to have no solution. I was glad to see you point out that journalists should be really careful about how they portray that community -- they really are very careful to try and keep things positive and moving forward.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Karoli — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:03:51 -0000

Thank you, Michael!

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Michael J — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:23:58 -0000

Great research, I can tell you put some major time into this thanks.

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Amy Gahran — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:18:06 -0000

Karoli, thnaks so much for this thoughtful post. I thought your observations would be useful to journalists, so I included excerpts from your post and linked to it today on Poynter's E-Media Tidbits:

http://poynter.org/column.a...

- Amy Gahran

Re: Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

Peter Calabria — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:54:14 -0000

The Skinny on Matthew Murray and the Church Shootings in Colorado.

As to Matthew Murray’s murders at the Youth with a Mission and at the church, the notion that the son of a powerful and very devout Christian physician, who was home taught in born again religious fashion and has nothing but a traffic ticket to indicate any prior rebelliousness at his relatively old age of 24, raises great suspicions. The more likely possibility is that Matthew Murray was primed by his parents and/or other religious controllers to be a martyr for the born-again Christians, his mayhem in Colorado Springs and Arvada now being a “burning of the Reichstag” justification for fundamentalist conservatives to crank up to a considerably higher level of repression and control in the United States...

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