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karoli — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:27:43 -0000

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Phil Gray:you bore me.... — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:22:07 -0000

What's wrong Mr Phil Grey did I hurt your feelings, maybe you shouldn't post if you can't handle criticism.Like I said you say alot but you say nothing.

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

Phil Gray — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:55:59 -0000

Dear you bore me,

There are several simple tests for ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder). Most Psychiatrists can administer them. I suggest you try one.
(5 lines, well within your attention span)

Phil Gray... Florida

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You bore me..... — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:34:48 -0000

To Phil and Gail and Danny and all the others writing books on here,cut it a little shorter.I'm sure you have alot to say but I skip over them or stop reading them.Half of you start babbling on and say alot but say nothing.I found the best comments get right to the point and are 10 lines or less.

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

erik — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:56:17 -0000

But I say unto you: Love your enemies and pray for those persecuting you.

Let us not now in our anger indulge ourselves in an orgy of outrage and hate but instead let us pray that the two families might forgive each other's trespasses so that there might again be peace and concord between them. Let us loose ourselves of our self righteousness so that we might know that we all are sinners who only by the grace of the LORD do we walk upon this earth and that we all deserve nothing and that we ourselves all have at one time or another caused injustices to befall others. Let us not follow the examples of those who, in their eagerness to pursue justice, cause injustices to fall upon others as Mrs Wells has done but instead let us follow the path that Christ has laid out before us; that of forgiveness and love. I beseech all of you let go of your anger and to find a more constructive and -dare I say- more Christian response to this tragedy that has fallen upon both families and upon their neighbours.

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

Phil Gray — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:55:08 -0000

Thank you Karoli..

Well put ..

I wish we could turn back the clock, have Megan's life back and all still keep the life lesson... But we can't.

I feel certain in my heart that Megan is looking down at us, saddened and wishing that we would let this go...

I wish we could too. But we must prevent these actions from reoccurring and the best way I know is to show people examples of other people's cruelty and the results... History is the best teacher of actions and the resulting reactions, cause and effect.

I wish all of you A Happy Holiday Season and my Special Thoughts and Prayers go out to all involved

Phil Gray... Florida

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

karoli — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:50:06 -0000

Phil, Frank and Darwin,

Whether Lori Drew actually wrote the series of messages that led Megan down the path to her suicide is in question. However, she had control of the password and account information and as an adult, should have shut down that account rather than sanctioning and continuing it over a span of six weeks.

How on earth would she ever have been able to get out of it without causing Megan heartache?

I believe that she did not intend for anything to happen that would have caused Megan's suicide. On the other hand, she was the adult and should have known better than to even consider, much less implement, a deception that was dead-ended and cruel. Why invent a boyfriend? Why not just a girl who was a friend of a myspace friend? The boyfriend ruse was clearly intended to get Megan's attention and gain her trust rapidly.

Like Phil, I am not, nor have I ever, advocated any harm coming to the Drew family. In fact, I'm concerned for Lori Drew's daughter and her forced isolation from friends and others as a result of the threats being made against her. This post and the others I've written have called for legal recourse against Lori Drew's actions, which she cleverly avoided by spreading around the login information and being fortunate enough to walk right in between the lines.

If there is no legal recourse, I certainly do not advocate vigilante justice. That's even more wrong than the original act.

However, society has the right to exclude her as a result of her actions, and that's what is happening now.

As to those who say that Megan's parents were irresponsible about letting her on MySpace when they knew she was fragile, I will reiterate: Until the day that everything blew up, that interaction was a positive thing in Megan's life, not negative. And when it did blow up, it did it fast and furious, which is typical of flame wars in online communities. It happened randomly, with no rhyme or reason, and I'm sure it devastated Megan. I wish she would not have acted on her suicidal impulse, but she did, and yes, no one tied the knot on the noose for her. However, to discover after the fact that the instigator was a supposedly responsible parent is just about beyond comprehension.

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

Phil Gray — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:22:24 -0000

Frank,

This blog-site was intended to discuss these particular events, NOT ALL HAPPENINGS IN GENERAL. At least that is how I understand it (please forgive me if I am wrong)

This WAS NOT a real boyfriend... though Megan was led to believe It WAS prompted by actions of deception directed by Lori Drew. This was a trap...

If you and DARWIN (whoever they really are) want to discuss Laws of the jungle or even better yet, strategy of JUNGLE WARFARE where traps are laid in order to surprise a stronger adversary,.. then I would be glad to engage...

Frank... you need to step back and see the whole picture for what it was.. a physiological trap to do harm to an ADHD thirteen year old child whom Lori Drew knew was dealing with the effects of ADHD.

You and DARWIN are welcome to deliver all the smoke screening you want... the owner of this blog site has allowed an open format... But know that I will respond to anyone who tries to redirect others views from the truth..

I have NO connection to the Meier's family, I have never met them.. spoke to them nor had any communication of any kind with them. I am just the grandfather of two ADHD grandchildren of Megan's age and have been touched by the story..

I do NOT want any physical harm to come to anyone in the Drew family... I DO want to see Lori Drew spend time behind bars... Those are the rules of our society..
An adult knowingly help create an ongoing lie that led to a child's demise..

These are ONLY MY OPINIONS from my view and I do NOT claim to know all truths... But my opinions ARE educated hands-on opinions... But I do know there IS a GOD and GOD knews all truths and Lori Drew and her supportive friends and family will meet their maker sooner or later... Thank God for her.. God is more forgiving than men.

Phil Gray... Florida

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

Frank — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:51:35 -0000

Phil,

Darwin is right. If it wasn't this, what else could it of been? What happens to Megan when a real boy breaks up with her. Do you blame him for the suicide? What if she fails a test in school and kills her self, do you blame the teacher? What if she got a job at McDonalds and got fired, do you blame the manager? In no way, am I defending the actions of Lori Drew, but the way people on the internet have been calling for her head is out of control. So many people on here won't even listen to reason, and people like me get labeled as insensitive. I think its important to step back examine the whole situation for what it really was.

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

Phil Gray — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:42:57 -0000

Anyone that wants to turn blame (some or all) on Megan's parents (FRANK) should have to spend six months working with ADHD children. (I have)

The object is to help them live a normal life and to associate with others in a normal way. That would include email and if chosen "My Space".

Unfortunately there are sick and twisted predatory people out there prowling on the week and innocent (Charles Darwin). These predatory personalities create fictitious characters (Charles Darwin) to hide so that they can do harm. Knowing they are wrong and afraid to show their real faces.

As for your theory Charles Darwin... as a former large cat handler (Tigers, leopards etc.) I fully understand the laws of the wild jungle. But our society is NOT a wild jungle (or at least.. it is not supposed to be.) We have rules to live by. I wonder if you had been one of the victims in those Colorado Churches yesterday if someone would stand over your dead body, shake their head and say,,, "oh well, survival of the fittest?"

Again I am left with this question... how are you two (Frank and Charles Darwin) related to the Drews... Family.. friends.. Them?

Phil Gray (my real name)... Florida

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

dannyvice — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:16:03 -0000

While the Megan Meier case seems outrageous and unique, it isn’t unique. Hundreds of cases of egregious and heinous acts go on every day with the same excuses out of our lawmakers.

One such other case....The case of Nikki Catsouras, is a classic example of disgusting, hateful activity against innocent victims, while our lawmakers excuse themselves from enacting laws to prevent this.

The excuse lawmakers use to let themselves off the hook stem from the growth of the Internet and how fast it's changing. This is a sham.

Chat rooms, message boards, instant messengers and email have been in existence for far over a decade now. While the software used to transmit messages changes slightly, the basic essence of using the Internet to send a message is largely the same. Is a decade or two long enough to establish some basic decency laws in regards to Internet usage?

I’ve posted the Nikki Catsouras story along with many details about the Megan Meier case so the inactivity out of our lawmakers towards these types of cases can be clearly seen.

Those who are interested in learning about cases like Megan’s and Nikki’s case are encouraged to drop by and comment on them if you like. I have a couple of polls set up as well. Danny Vice would like to hear your point of view.

Public awareness of the problem and discussions about possible solutions are the best way to pressure elected officials into action instead of excuse making.

I invite you to come by and share your opinion.

Danny Vice
http://weeklyvice.blogspot.com

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

karoli — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:21:04 -0000

To those asking about Megan's parents' responsibility:

Until that day when everything blew up, the MySpace account had been a source of joy for Megan. It was only that day, when messages started coming in that were ugly and mean, that it became a problem. And when it did, Megan's mother told her to turn off the computer and stay off of it until she could review the messages. Of course, what came next was tragic.

Some folks think she shouldn't have been allowed on MySpace at all. I disagree. She was being monitored and as far as her parents knew, all was well and it would have been, if someone who got the password from Lori Drew had not decided to turn Megan upside down by using the "Josh" account to bully her.

Re: Megan Meier’s Tragic Death – Charge Lori Drew with Child Abuse

Samuel — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:25:54 -0000

I feel terrible about the loss of Megan. The problem I'm having is that her parents knew she was depressed and fragile. Why didn't they have her in therapy and on medication? Why did they let have a myspace account? Why are they not being held accountable for their part in all of this?

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Charles Darwin — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:27:45 -0000

It's survival of the fittest out there people. If Megan couldn't hack it, she wasn't fit.

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Susan — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:30:32 -0000

I agree that Lori Drew should be held responsible for Megans death I cant believe that an adult would do something like this and not feel the least remorse. This is a woman who should not be allowed to be around children including her own. Hopefully they havent been damaged as badly as she is. I have faith that if the law refuses to act that God will evenually give her what she deserves.

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Frank — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:51:51 -0000

Your follow up comments don't surprise me. I never said Lori didn't do anything wrong, she acted like a Child. But Megan's parents have acted just as childish. By leaving a smashed foosball table in their driveway? By outing them in front of the whole country and destroying their lives as well? Seriously, if Megan was so easily set off by some comments on Myspace, her actions were inevitable. How long before a real boyfriend broke up with her, or she doesn't get turned down for a job etc. You're so quick to jump to her defense and call me a insensitive, but life is full of disappointments and hardships, and there are cruel people out there. You have to be strong enough to deal it with.

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Linda — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:13:05 -0000

I have a 17 year old child who has suffered from depression since he was eight years old. Unless you live this life you cannot possibly identify with the temendous struggle we as a family face(Frank). There isn't a day that goes by that I don't pray for strength to help us through. The tears and frustration are endless....the pain deep. As a parent of a child like this you are forced to become their 'everything'. Their best friend (and many, many times their only friend), their confidant, their life coach, their therapist, their doctor and their hero. There are no days off, no vacations. And yes, we do get tired. There comes a point in their lives when you HAVE to step back, let them go and hope they can start to figure some of this out on their own. There comes a time when we have to stop monitoring every movement, every conversation and every encounter. And that's when the intense praying sets in. I hope you never have to feel (Frank) the fear that we as parents of kids like this feel EVERY time they close the door to their bedroom or even leave the house on their own. The fear we feel every time we hear a thump, bump or unusual movement coming from their room on a 'bad' day. It's very painful to live every day with the knowledge that at any time it could be the last day that you talk, hold, or love your child....because they make take their life at any time...AND the knowledge of knowing there is NOTHING you can do to change it or take their pain away.
My prayers are not only with Megans parents but with Megan as well. I pray that she has finally found the peace that alluded her throughout her short life. God Bless you Megan.
And to all of you who criticize the Meier's and question where they were or why they didn't do more...STOP. I'm certain this was one of those times that they as parents made the decision to let her try and figure it out for herself. And now they are paying unfairly for their decision. What a terrible price to pay.
And finally, I pray for myself and my inability to pray for Lori Drew. Her behavior in this situation is nothing short of criminal and her morals and integrity..despicable. She is paying the price as well.

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Vicki — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:22:44 -0000

Yup samo samo blame the victims. Depression is a chemical embalance and not a parent problem. Frank- you should know your facts before you point fingers at parents that lost their daughter to the hands of an adult that knew she had a depression problem. Give me a fing break point the finger where it belongs not at mom and dad who lost their daughter. people like you make me sick. My heart hurts for these parents and this poor young girl that was tormented by a full grown adult to the point that she took her own life.

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Frank — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:54:30 -0000

Why isn't anybody looking at Megan's parents? Why was this teen depressed like this? Sure, what Lori did was stupid, childish and dumb. But killing yourself over what some guy you never even met said is even dumber.

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Frank — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:53:30 -0000

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Vicki H — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:31:27 -0000

This woman should be held accountable in some way, either financially or thru the courts. What kind of 40 something year old woman would do such a thing? She obviously needs mental help and her child/children should be removed from her home. I read now that the neighborhood where both she and the Meier family lives is ostracizing her. Geez, and she wonders why? She should be thrown out of the town and everywhere else she chooses to take up roots. She is so low. She obviously is a nut case and a very immature one at that. She sickens me.

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Pam — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:14:16 -0000

To the parent who thinks her children don't have a My Space account I have two words
Public Library.My library offers computer
use free,and I see a lot of young people going
on to My Space.To others who read this,go to Find A Grave,Put in Megan Meier and leave notes,flowers,etc.Megan RIP

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Diana — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:53:31 -0000

We live in a world where teachers are having sex with our children; celebrities are flashing their privates during halftime (with young children watching!); toddlers are being stuffed into crates and thrown into rivers; and a very large percentage of this country's convicted child molesters can't be found through the registration system that is now in place. Our legal system simply can't keep pace with the sheer number of crimes against children, and this case is no exception. Lori Drew is another example of a generation of adults who are selfish and immature, and our children are the ones who are and will pay for it in hundreds of ways. How did this generation get this way? I see it everywhere, everyday. It isn't fair to blame law enforcement for the struggle; they are simply overwhelmed by the acts of a depraved generation. Our local law enforcement workers are underpaid and overworked, and bless them for continuing the fight!

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jill — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:44:46 -0000

Of course, who is not going to be affected by this tragedy? The adults were despicable as was the teen who took part in this cruelty. However, if each of us looks within ourselves, we are likely to find some ugliness from the past that we are ashamed of, or even some current ugliness. It is very easy to go after people that perpetrate cruelty. But it is very hard to objectively look within ourselves and see if we, too, are guilty of some kind of ugliness. On another note, parents need to get a life and let their kids live their own lives. It is pathetic when parents have no life and interfere in everything that their children do. Most of us who are adults now were able to enjoy growing up without our parents polluting every last thing we did. Lastly, the Internet basically stinks. Kids need to have real fun, and not imaginary fun.

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Issac — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:11:36 -0000

What about Ashley Grills? Don't forget that she's 18 years old adult, and she's part of this mind game that drove 13 years old kid to her grave. We also need to teach Ashley Grills that her action will not be forgiven.